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Arthur Powell's avatar

I have an essay dropping later today that you will find interesting, I hope. One thing I touch on is the importance of a sense of place for European peoples as being integral to their tribalism. It seems you also have come to similar conclusion perhaps via a different route.

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Aodhan MacMhaolain's avatar

Your essays, and some comments, have compelled me to rework this to include the individual, the spirit, and the way this manifests in identity.

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Odd to see axiomatic concepts in something like this. “A thing is a thing and not something else”, applies at a common sense level in respect to convention. Epistemically in respect to governing the world of perception or creation. Obviously this is abstract for this piece in context, but it gives platform for my thinking about this.

Am I metaphysically a human? Or is “humanity” just the name I’m applying to this phenomena? There are conventional identities that apply to “creation” as you state here, but what about ultimately speaking? A tree is a tree and not a car, but I have reason to believe that what underlies both a tree and a car is a kind of ubiquitous creative essence or spirit. Beneath the carness and treeness which constitute both a car and a tree, is kind of invariant spirit or reality that would be transcendent to logical conditions and limitations. So to say, we could say a car is a tree and a tree is a car and only face contradiction in the conventional context. Much the same can apply to other particulars.

An essence is that which makes something what it is, its identity, and that thing’s nature is the content of its identity(how it is). With most of the teachings of the Aryan religions maturing into a kind of idealism and monism, I’d say that “my” identity and the identity of the world is far more abstract than it is corporeal or established. In that way I think that falling in or out or certain identities depends upon causality or conditioning. What constitutes the form of “Aryan” or “Aryan-ness” wouldn’t necessarily be genetic or geographical components, these things would be an expression or consequence of that form or ideal in the empirical creation. I think you have things inverted. The reason we have a tendency towards piety, or even a compassionate/reverent attitude towards animals and critters,(wholesome ideologies as you say here) is not a consequence of genetics, but because we have less metaphysical distance from the ultimate or ethereal than other races. The Aryan is solar wherein the aboriginal and oriental races are Chthonic. The Aryan is closer in image and manifestation to the divine, while the other races are close to animality and other coarser conditions, our spirits in terms of fate are less calcified and entrenched in creation. When you say that we cannot change our spirits, do you imply that it’s eternal? Because I do think that the spirit can be “destroyed” or otherwise degenerate profoundly. We only maintain our racial identities through sanctifying the spirit and living in tune with the universal law or truth.

I do believe it is possible for the general spirit to involute and decay, one can lose their status as an Aryan much like one can lose their caste, usually through impious actions. This is because it’s more of an ontological archetype than it is something coarse. One is born with fair skin, a broad frame, and the ability to consume milk and curd due to the piety of previous lives(Wyrd, Karma), or alternatively, that the Aryan form is the descendant residue or essence of primordial beings(gods), making the European/Aryan the offspring of ancient divinity. Both of these understandings are present in IE mythos and texts, the former usually in respect to ritual maintenance and orthopraxic perfection.

The Germans believed as such, wherein the soul is destroyed aside from its most basic constituent in Nastrond, wherein one’s actions were so shameful that their ancestors had rejected them. The Greeks believed themselves and their heroes to be descendent from the gods and that one could find themselves in Tartarus, a bleak hellish pit for wickedness or impiety. In many of the myth, people are sent there for things like oathbreaking, patricide, filicide, etc. Implying a separation from both one’s ancestors and one’s fortunes and worldly glory. In the Dharma, we see the very real possibility of being reborn in the realms of Ghosts, Hell, and Animals through unwholesome and delusional actions(Akasula Kamma, Papya Karma). I don’t think we are Aryan because of our genetics and shared ancestry, but because we’re more or less destined to hold the mantle of responsibility in maintaining the world. I think that departing from that mythopoetic, idealistic and visionary consciousness is putting the ball into the court of our enemies, which would be the varieties of materialist thinkers and their internationalism, which is devoid completely of these superstitions.

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Aodhan MacMhaolain's avatar

Would you read my post "The Philosophy of Golf"? Its a hodgepodge showing my personal philosophy. Would be interested in reading your thoughts.

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Aodhan MacMhaolain's avatar

A fascinating comment with a lot to chew on. I'll probably comment again with a more complete response giving my spiritual views, but all things considered (including my theology) I still think you are owned by your fathers and this is due to the actual physical and spiritual chain linking you. (You are your ancestors type thinking) - and yeah, there's a lot you say which gets my brain whirring.

I still disagree. Our material forms are shaped and probably completely operated by the spiritual. The ideal precedes the mundane, right? Then the genetic and material things which bind us are shared by something spiritual and ideal. This is why I think it's impossible for me to leave my race in my lifetime. I could be a traitor. I could adopt surrogates. But it would be a farce to reality, both material and ideal reality. Of course, involution can happen but I argue that it takes time and generations to produce.

For example, wiggers. It takes time to physically and spiritually warp a White man and his lineage into wiggerdom. Arguably, that is just a surrogate for most people and it can be easily reversed since I am talking about something deeper. This would align with the idea that things can be purified, but to what state? Their pure state, their ideal state. A wigger can be made an Aryan again because he was born of them, and his spirit is tied to them.

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Tyr Asatru's avatar

Great read, thanks.

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